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Juan Felipe
2005-05-28 23:00:06 UTC
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Health : Importance of Health in Cuba "Praised" by Prestigious Physician

The President of the International Society of Blood Transfusions, Dr.
Marcela Contreras, said on Sunday in Havana that Cuba offers excellent and
commendable free health care assistance to its population.(It shows that
either
she was taken to certain exclusive facilities for the tourists and
"mayimbes"
(something that would make her opinion totally false and partial) or that
she found out the truth of the disaster which health care for Cubans is
but she didn't want to contradict the dictatorship because she is afraid
or a member of the Communist party who wouldn't discover the ugly
reality of Cuban medicine.)

In an exclusive interview with AIN News Agency, the Chilean specialist who
also serves as the British Director of Diagnosis, Development and Blood
Research Services, said Cuban health professionals are on par with their
European counterparts.(She doesn't know that medical doctors in Cuba
are "sietemesinos", the real doctors left the island or this life a long
time
ago, actual doctors were "fabricated' in tons as slaves to be rented to
other poor countries, all they studied was only 3 years of medicine,
without the pre-science year in High School, that's why the great majority
do not pass the exams in other countries - only in U.S. there are more than
1500 who never passed the Educational Council for Foreign Medical
Graduates test or State Boards tests.

Dr. Contreras contrasted the island with the situation in other Latin
American nations, where the majority has no access to health services. She
cited as an example the treatment that Cuba offers patients with
hematological illness, which is extremely expensive to treat in any nation.
(What does she really knows about the Cuban Health Care but what the
slaves of Castro told her?)

The renowned international specialist has contributed to the development of
Cuba's transfusion medicine in the training of professionals and providing
scientific consultation and bibliography. (She has not contributed much,
because besides Hnos Almejeira Hospital and a few others for tourists
and "mayimbes" the rest of the Cuban population is submitted to hospitals
and services without any concept of asepsis, lack of instruments and drugs
and incompetence of doctors.

Dr. Contreras participated in the recently concluded 5th Congress of
Hematology and Immunology and Transfusion Medicine held at Havana's
International Convention Center with over 700 specialists from 31 nations.
(They all were guided to believe they were facing up-to-date advances and
excellent services as they did not visit the real Cuba's miserable centers
and they did not even considered the malnutrition of the whole popula-
tion. )

She said that one of the things that she most admires about Cuba is the
importance placed on newborns and children in general in regards to
nutrition and education. (She didn't ask for the 2-million yearly
abortions
and she doesn't know that children are forbidden to drink milk after the
first six years of life rendering multiple malnutrition symptoms and even
a thriving deficiency)

Contreras also participated in a massive May 17 march in which 1.2 million
Havana residents condemned terrorism and demanded justice for the victims.
(Which victims, the more than 12,000 muredered in jails and "paredones"?
or the 70,000 killed in King Castro's Africa's adventure? Or the almost
100,000 who died truying to scape opression? Or the children massacred
in the episode of the "March 13"? Or the four victims who unarmed,
helping those who scaped, were assassinated by Cuban planes?

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Besides... who is that Mrs. Contreras?
Dan Christensen
2005-05-29 13:30:08 UTC
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Post by Juan Felipe
Health : Importance of Health in Cuba "Praised" by Prestigious Physician
The President of the International Society of Blood Transfusions, Dr.
Marcela Contreras, said on Sunday in Havana that Cuba offers excellent and
commendable free health care assistance to its population.(It shows that
either
she was taken to certain exclusive facilities for the tourists and
"mayimbes"
(something that would make her opinion totally false and partial) or that
she found out the truth of the disaster which health care for Cubans is
but she didn't want to contradict the dictatorship because she is afraid
or a member of the Communist party who wouldn't discover the ugly
reality of Cuban medicine.)
Sadly for all you hate-addled embargo-Nazis, many international experts have
confirmed that Cuba's health care system is indeed the best in Latin
America. (See "Achievements of the Revolution" at my website.)
Post by Juan Felipe
In an exclusive interview with AIN News Agency, the Chilean specialist who
also serves as the British Director of Diagnosis, Development and Blood
Research Services, said Cuban health professionals are on par with their
European counterparts.(She doesn't know that medical doctors in Cuba
are "sietemesinos", the real doctors left the island or this life a long
time
ago, actual doctors were "fabricated' in tons as slaves to be rented to
other poor countries, all they studied was only 3 years of medicine,
without the pre-science year in High School,
Many experts in the field seem to disagree with you. Most, if not all, have
nothing but praise the work of Cuban doctors who work in the most isolated
and impoverished communities in various capitalist hell-holes around the
world, free of charge.
Post by Juan Felipe
that's why the great majority
do not pass the exams in other countries - only in U.S. there are more than
1500 who never passed the Educational Council for Foreign Medical
Graduates test or State Boards tests.
And what do they all have in common? The all left Cuba for big bucks in the
U$A. That should tell you something about their character -- or the lack of
it.
Post by Juan Felipe
Dr. Contreras contrasted the island with the situation in other Latin
American nations, where the majority has no access to health services. She
cited as an example the treatment that Cuba offers patients with
hematological illness, which is extremely expensive to treat in any nation.
(What does she really knows about the Cuban Health Care but what the
slaves of Castro told her?)
Again, many international experts seem to agree with her. At
news:soc.culture.cuba , the right-wingers have tried in vain for years to
produce even one that will support your outrageous claims. It got quite
comical at times!
Post by Juan Felipe
The renowned international specialist has contributed to the development of
Cuba's transfusion medicine in the training of professionals and providing
scientific consultation and bibliography. (She has not contributed much,
because besides Hnos Almejeira Hospital and a few others for tourists
and "mayimbes" the rest of the Cuban population is submitted to hospitals
and services without any concept of asepsis, lack of instruments and drugs
and incompetence of doctors.
There are shortages due to your beloved embargo. As even Amnesty
International must now concede, the US trade sanctions are

1. "highly detrimental to Cubans' enjoyment of a range of economic, social
and cultural rights,"

2. "has had a very significant negative impact on the overall performance
of the national economy, diverting the optimal allocation of resources from
the prioritized areas and affecting the health programmes and services,"

3. "compromises the quality of life of the population, specifically the
children, the elderly and the infirm,"

4. "is used to harm the most vulnerable members of society." (AI website)

In a report critical of Cuba last year (and confirmed in March this year),
even the UN Human Rights Commission was forced to concede that, "It is also
impossible to ignore the disastrous and lasting economic and social effects
of the embargo imposed on the Cuban population over 40 years ago." (SCC
archives)

Since these reports were published, the Bush regime has even moved to
INTENSIFY these cruel sanctions! The genocidal intent of the regime has
never more clear.

In January, Human Rights Watch confirmed that, "The U.S. economic embargo on
Cuba, in effect for more than four decades, continues to impose
indiscriminate hardship on the Cuban people." (SCC archives)
Post by Juan Felipe
Dr. Contreras participated in the recently concluded 5th Congress of
Hematology and Immunology and Transfusion Medicine held at Havana's
International Convention Center with over 700 specialists from 31 nations.
(They all were guided to believe they were facing up-to-date advances and
excellent services as they did not visit the real Cuba's miserable centers
and they did not even considered the malnutrition of the whole popula-
tion. )
Actually, recent reports indicate that caloric intake has now returned to
point before the collapse of the USSR and subsequent intensification of US
sanctions against the Cuban people. (IIRC, see "The Cuban Diet," SCC
archives)
Post by Juan Felipe
She said that one of the things that she most admires about Cuba is the
importance placed on newborns and children in general in regards to
nutrition and education. (She didn't ask for the 2-million yearly
abortions
Reproductive choice is a hallmark of any progressive health care system.
Post by Juan Felipe
and she doesn't know that children are forbidden to drink milk after the
first six years of life rendering multiple malnutrition symptoms and even
a thriving deficiency)
Reports from the UN Food and Agriculture Organization say otherwise. They
say Cuba is a the forefront of developing countries in childhood nutrition.
It must piss off all you embargo-Nazis to no end, but that's your problem.
Post by Juan Felipe
Contreras also participated in a massive May 17 march in which 1.2 million
Havana residents condemned terrorism and demanded justice for the victims.
(Which victims, the more than 12,000 muredered in jails and "paredones"?
Your evidence? (Don't hold your breath, folks! No mainstream human rights
organization will back these outrageous claims.)
Post by Juan Felipe
or the 70,000 killed in King Castro's Africa's adventure?
Your evidence? I know it must also piss you off that Cuba's intervention in
Africa was decisive in bringing down your beloved apartheid regime in South
Africa. Who says so? None other than Nelson Mandela, himself! (See "Quotable
Quotes" at my website.)
Post by Juan Felipe
Or the almost
100,000 who died truying to scape opression?
And, your evidence?
Post by Juan Felipe
Or the children massacred
in the episode of the "March 13"?
A hijacking gone tragically wrong. No reliable evidence has ever been
produced otherwise. See "Human Rights / My analysis of the sinking of the
'13 de Marzo'" at my website.
Post by Juan Felipe
Or the four victims who unarmed,
helping those who scaped, were assassinated by Cuban planes?
These anti-Cuban fanatics had illegally violated Cuban airspaces dozens of
times prior to this regrettable incident. The US authorities had been
formally notified several times. With their long history of often violent
aggression against the Cuban people, they seemed to be actually encouraging
these intrusions. There was no telling what intentions were. Like the USA,
even Cuba has the right to secure airspaces.
Post by Juan Felipe
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Besides... who is that Mrs. Contreras?
President of the International Society of Blood Transfusions, and British
Director of Diagnosis, Development and Blood Research Services.

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ/html
PL
2005-05-29 13:37:01 UTC
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"Dan Christensen" <***@allstream.net> wrote in message news:Btjme.1975$***@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
(snip)
Again, many international experts seem to agree with her.(snip)
False.


" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced (e.g., if dengue were declared wiped out, then physicians could
report the disease only as influenza-like symptoms)."
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for the
Western Hemisphere) cannot
report to the world without clearance from the Cuban government."


See: www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390


Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html


PL
PM
2005-05-29 16:24:31 UTC
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and doctor Mendoza was punished and sent to prison for alerting and divulgating about Dengue Fever in Cuba...
the regime didn*t want this fact to be published at that time....

most of the dengue cases were introduced in Cuba from the intervening troops in Angola conflict.
"PL" <***@pandora.be> a écrit dans le message de news: 1Ajme.104398$***@phobos.telenet-ops.be...

"Dan Christensen" <***@allstream.net> wrote in message news:Btjme.1975$***@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
(snip)
Again, many international experts seem to agree with her.(snip)
False.


" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced (e.g., if dengue were declared wiped out, then physicians could
report the disease only as influenza-like symptoms)."
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for the
Western Hemisphere) cannot
report to the world without clearance from the Cuban government."


See: www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390


Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html


PL
Dan Christensen
2005-05-29 21:38:04 UTC
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Post by PL
(snip)
Again, many international experts seem to agree with her.(snip)
False.
" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced (e.g., if dengue were declared wiped out, then physicians could
report the disease only as influenza-like symptoms)."
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for the
Western Hemisphere) cannot
report to the world without clearance from the Cuban government."
See: www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390
Outdated and irrelevant.
Post by PL
Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html
Taken out of context. Author confirmed that he was actually referring to
financial data, and that health stats on mortality, etc. were quite
reliable.

For more details, see recent soc.culture.cuba thread, "WHO expert lauds
Cuba's Health-Care Accomplishments."

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at
http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html
PL
2005-05-29 22:01:51 UTC
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Post by Dan Christensen
Post by PL
(snip)
Again, many international experts seem to agree with her.(snip)
False.
" People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health
representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban Government
policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban physicians
have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in Cuba is
politically
influenced (e.g., if dengue were declared wiped out, then physicians could
report the disease only as influenza-like symptoms)."
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for the
Western Hemisphere) cannot
report to the world without clearance from the Cuban government."
See: www.promedmail.org Archive Number 19970627.1390
Outdated and irrelevant.
Nope, valid and actual.
Post by Dan Christensen
Post by PL
Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html
Taken out of context.(snip)
Nope.
In context.
Your private lies don't contradict the public record.

PL

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